Srila Prabhupada, His Movement & You

No Replacing Prabhupada

From Bhakta Steve
9 May 1994

Dear Hansadutta Prabhu:

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada, your spiritual master, whom you serve so nicely by preaching his correct intention.

Just got to my P.O. box after two months away. What a pleasure to receive the materials. Your position has the ring of truth and the strength of conviction of nice Vaishnavas like yourself and Yashodanandan Prabhu.

As you write, six of the eleven are “out” of ISKCON. Did Prabhupada make an error in judgment? No! Conditioned souls misinterpreted Prabhupada’s desire. By Krishna’s grace, a few like yourself see things as they are.

Please keep sending me stuff. I look forward to meeting you someday. All glories to the transcendental truth of Srila Prabhupada’s mission.

Steve Aminoff

From Hansadutta das,
Cloverdale, California
26 May 1994

Dear Bhakta das Prabhu:

Thank you for your letter dated May 13, 1994. I thank you also for the check of $108 for the Nama Hatta publication works.

Yashodanandan Prabhu and I were on the way to Santa Rosa to purchase some computer cable when your letter came, so we both read it with great ecstasy and relish. Ananda has been filling up my computer with the various programs and customizing everything for easy use.

We have been associating since May 20th. The weekend of May 20, 21 and 22nd many devotees came here for our first Nama Hatta festival. Dhamaghosh, Rathayatra and wife, even Dristyadhumnya and Gupta made an appearance on Sunday. Gupta will purchase and donate a good copy machine for our use in the publication of the Inside Nama Hatta newsletter. I find that Gupta is very generous and also thoughtful.

I am happy to know that Gour Mohan is still with us. Please ask him to send some report and pictures of his Nama Hatta activities in Benelux.

When we were kids in New York City, the restaurants used to employ derelicts to carry a sandwich sign board to advertize their restaurant—”EAT AT JOE’S.” Simply by walking up and down the city streets with their sandwich board sign, customers would come to their place and business would increase. In a similar way, Srila Prabhupada would engage us in the service of his mission to save the fallen souls. We had no personal qualifications (we still don’t have any qualifications), but by having us cruise the streets dressed in dhotis, shaved head, tilak and chanting the Holy Name of Krishna and distributing his books, so many new devotees came to him. In that spirit we have to go out to meet the public—not with ambition and prestige in our hearts. It is certainly a humbling engagement. When we think that we are deserving of more and attempt to secure some rewards for our street walking, it is then that we fall into difficulty.

Another point that struck me the other day is that when the gurus were detected in their attempt to enjoy gross sense gratification, they offered a reform by making a show of renunciation in giving up vyasasans, pujas, pranams, etc. In this way the foolish ones were satisfied, but this is the bhoga-tyaga syndrome (enjoyment and renunciation).

The positive service to the spiritual master is the missing element in all this bhoga-tyaga. Therefore Srila Puri Maharaja stressed that we must emphasize the worship and glorification of Srila Prabhupada as the Sampradaya Acharya. In fact, when we were together during the festival, Yashodanandan, Dhamaghosh and I decided that we would publish a book for the centennial celebration of Srila Prabhupada, describing how great Srila Prabhupada is. This book, unlike other books written about Srila Prabhupada, will contain factual information (statistical) of his accomplishments in terms of books published and sold, magazines, works of art, temples, guest houses, farm communities and reviews of his writings by prominent scholars and religionists. It should have photos of Srila Prabhupada with famous personalities and profound quotes, including, “They never went to the moon.” If you have any original photos of Srila Prabhupada, please keep them aside for future use. Your suggestions for this publication are welcome, and of course, so is your Lakshmi. This book should be made so that even karmis will like to read it and appreciate, “Here is a great personality.” Everyone always says, “Swami Maharaja has done very nicely,” but they never say HOW NICELY and HOW GREAT HE HAS ACTUALLY DONE.

Also we are planning to make a world tour (Nama Hatta World Sankirtan Party), stopping in the Philippines, Singapore, Bangkok, India, Europe, Russia and various cities in the USA. Perhaps you will like to come along?! If we meditate on this, I am certain that Krishna will provide all the necessary ingredients. I think this is what Srila Puri Maharaja would want us to do.

I hope this letter finds you well. Obeisances to Guru Kripa and all the devotees there with you.

Your humble servant,
Hansadutta das

From Rasamanjari devi dasi
1 June 1994

Dear Hansadutta Prabhu:

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I am not a very good disciple of Srila Prabhupada. My life-style, practices and realizations are not of a very high standard, and I have only a minimal desire to improve. So what I have to say is not anything that any respectable devotee will take note of, because of who I am. At best, I hope to be included as a speck of sand in the association of those who specifically desire a society of devotees with Srila Prabhupada in the center and all others radiating out from him.

Unfortunately, to be an advocate of this is seen as quite controversial by even the most liberal, gentle and fixed-up bhaktas. Speaking of putting Srila Prabhupada back in the center brings accusations of sectarian ideas where there were none before, removing the chance for personal guidance from new initiates, becoming like the Christians, offending other pure devotees (especially in regards to Indian-born), neglecting to see that some of the new ISKCON gurus are quite pure, etc., etc.

My grateful appreciation to Yashodanandan, Bhakta das, Puranjana, Pradyumna, Gauridas Pandita, Sulochan, Nityananda, Krishna-Balarama Swami and so many others.

It is wonderful that you have come to the conclusion that rittvik is what you were supposed to have been performing all along. That you now acknowledge it is a huge step in the right direction for us all. Thank you for producing and distributing two very attractive literatures which present your conclusions nicely for the glory of Srila Prabhupada and the education of society.

I left a box of your literature with the gurukulis in New Dwaraka. One of them just had a dream where Srila Prabhupada held out his hands to her, clasped her hands and she began to cry—so hard that when she woke up she was crying. When I asked her what he was communicating to her, she said she thought he was thanking her and the small group of gurukulis who are regularly chanting and hearing; asking for more surrender and impressing that they are his movement’s future (as he is their future).

My partner Amrita, whom you met, says that what you are promoting makes “perfect sense,” and I think of our perfect process for attaining the perfection of life and know that your current direction is non-different from Srila Prabhupada. I feel like I’m getting Srila Prabhupada back through your group’s endeavors, and I cry long and deeply. I can’t thank you enough. My centennial plan is to assist you. I feel a permanent celebration coming on for the whole universe. His Divine Grace belongs right smack-dab in the center of us all. How could we have lost this vision?

Thank you and others for being so friendly and encouraging. But most of all, thank you again for caring to put Srila Prabhupada back in the center.

I feel as if I am receiving a dear relative back from the dead or like the “one” has placed in front of all my zeros. I feel like the sun has begun to shine after years of cloudy, cold weather. When you wrote in your “Apology to the Devotees” in Srila Prabhupada, His Movement and You, “Being completely overwhelmed with the fever of pratistha, ” I felt very sad because of my fever, too. My humble apologies firstly to Srila Prabhupada, and secondly to all his followers.

Once I had a dream about Srila Prabhupada. A good friend was considering joining the Sridhar group. I was bewildered. That night, in a dream, I asked Srila Prabhupada what he thought about his disciples who had accepted Sridhar. He said, “They have replaced me.” I said, “I don’t hink I need anyone but you, Srila Prabhupada,” and he said, “You don’t need anyone but me.”

I shared the dream, and I never accepted anyone but Prabhupada directly, but I’ve accepted their reasons for replacing him. Thus I’ve been ill.

I found a copy of the much-used photo of Srila Prabhupada standing with Sridhar. I decided I’d cut it and just keep the photo of Prabhupada. Then I looked at the look on his face and compared it to the relaxed, joyful photo of him with his disciples dancing at San Francisco Rathayatra, 1972 or ’73. I couldn’t even keep just Prabhupada’s photo—he looked so uncomfortable. It amazes me to think that he prefers the association of his mleccha disciples to others with various qualifications. He really loves us—fools that we are.

The Prabhupada party in Los Angeles was nice, but without establishing Srila Prabhupada as the only acharya of ISKCON, such parties are reminiscent of diseased persons going to a feast and believing themselves well while they partake of the delicious foodstuffs. Unfortunately, after the party is over, the party-goers still find themselves in an unhealthy state. The root cause of our sickness must be understood and rectified for us to be truly healthy.

You call yourselves Nama Hatta to differentiate from the society which disobeys our guru’s instruction, but you are the real ISKCON. Several suggestions: if they agree, publish the names, addresses and phone numbers of supporters for questions, encouragement and sharing feelings of ecstasy as the bliss emanating from the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada sweeps over us due to our pleasing him.

How can I serve this most glorious endeavor?


Your humble servant and friend,
Rasamanjari devi dasi

From Dhanvantari Prabhu

All glories to the Nama Hatta devotees of the Lord. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I am writing at this time to attempt to begin the process of “networking” with other devotees in Nama Hatta’s field of activity. If this results in any type of response in return, then my desire for association will be fulfilled.

Very recently, after reading Srila Prabhupada, His Movement and You, my mind seems to have cleared regarding many unresolved question that, until now, remained as unseen stumbling blocks haunting my mind. It seems a case of something blatantly obvious and essentially very simple remaining elusive to those not wanting to accept something that would upset a predetermined conclusion, upon which had been based other conclusions and situations advantageous for whatever reason to that person.

In my case, the lack of a bona fide authority meant easy justification of all types of sense gratification. As an example of just how very simple this fact (the fact of eleven rittviks initiating on Prabhupada’s behalf) is, just read the translation of “Sri Guru Parampara” in Songs of the Acharyas song book.

In every verse we are told who SERVED which guru, beginning from Lord Brahma. As each link in the parampara is given, we are told who is the DISCIPLE, who SERVED, who RECEIVED the devotional science, who RENDERED SERVICE, who FOLLOWED. In verse after verse, each link in the chain is added by submitting to the previous acharya, not by self-proclamation, but by serving, following and accepting instruction from the previous link.

Where is the loss? For myself, I am glad to accept Prabhupada as my guru. I feel unworthy, and unfortunate to have never been in his physical presence. But where else to begin but to hear from those more fortunate? What else to do but to try and practice what Prabhupada has clearly laid out for us in his books?

Your fallen servant,
Dhanvantari das

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  1. I shall be including sections of this very intelligent, but flawed, commentary in an upcoming article that will be posted on one of our websites. As I told you in 1988, I would read the book that you gave me. I have read, more than once, both of your books, as well as this article. You are close. The quote from Vaikunthanatha, as potent as it appears to be, is still evidence not conclusive proof. Indeed, and somewhat ironically, you have prominently posted in another section of your website, that famous letter you received from His Divine Grace wherein he said that his movement may have gurus given the title of Bhaktivedanta (for their advanced learning and realization in the supreme science) by 1975. This was not realized, however, as we all know. Instead, eleven men–yourself one of them–went, in your own words to me back in the Eighties “way too far.” Nevertheless, misuse of a great science does not render it useless. The rittvik process (and I spell this word exactly as you do, so we have something in common there) in relation to Srila Prabhupada ended on November 15, 1977; the last genuinely initiated disciple of Prabhupada was Mahapurana das, an African-American devotee, at (again, somewhat ironically, although Nityananda prabhu was already in Mississippi by that time) the New Orleans yatra just hours before Prabhupada departed us in manifest form. The real issue here is not rittvik; the real issue is “regular guru, that’s all.” What did that mean? I ask this rhetorically, as I am confident that I know what it means. Similarly, as was revealed in your presence at Topanga Canyon in early December of 1980, the eleven men named on July 9-10, 1977 where not to create any kind of exclusive monopoly based upon their having been given the renewal of the service of rittvik, which had been suspended for a period of time before that summer. I think that you would agree that close is not good enough here. We may put together the pieces of the puzzle in a different chronological order–and that is to be expected–but, when it is finished, all the pieces fit together in one way and one way only. There is one perfect way, and we both agree that the vitiated GBC has not established, nor does it represent, that way. Yet, there arguments have some power to them, especially in terms of pragmatic considerations–Western pragmatism, that is. Indeed, I pick up no dearth of pragmatism in your presentations both in your books and on your website. The issue is not pragmatism itself, as Prabhupada was very results oriented. The issue is the difference between Western pragmatism and Vedic or Vaishnava pragmatism. There is one essential difference between them, and a hint of what that is can be found in Nityananda prabhu’s favorite slogan: Satyam eva jayate.
    One other thing to keep in mind. Kindly do not misread anything personal into this, because it is not intended for any specific initiated devotee (1966-1977) of Prabhupada. We both agree that the GBCs of Prabhupada and his guru deviated in egregious ways. What was the ultimate result thirty years after the first such deviation? Or, rather, how did Lord Chaitanya choose to rectify that situation? It wasn’t via any kind of rittvik arrangement, was it.
    So, I am being stimulated to some extent by what I am reading on your website and in reviewing your books (I have both of them) once again. In due course, it should produce an article that goes into detail on all of these spiritual raw nerve topics. Obviously, I had very little association with His Divine Grace in comparison to your good self; I was only alone with him once for about four minutes. So, you are very blessed, and I admire your spiritual good fortune. It empowers you to carry on, no doubt. Still, you and I have another thing in common that is certainly rare amongst Prabhupada’s actually initiated disciples, viz., neither of us was preached to before coming to the temple and deciding to surrender. I have read your historical account, it was impressive, and I could relate to it. Mine was different, obviously, but the principle was the same. As such, we each stand for something and push something independent of mass opinion and negativity of the enforced conformity. Your version of rittvik–and there are quite a number of them–is different from the others, and that is to be expected, also.
    Once I produce the above-mentioned article (for the first time, I am seriously considering employing the A & A format in doing so), would you like me to notify you of its posting along with a hyperlink? I shall not be offended if you answer this specific query in the negative nor shall I be offended if I do not hear from you at all. We are all meant to reach the stage of sthita-prajna, in which it is certain that His Divine Grace would order us to become diksa-guru, not rittvik. Until then, we are meant to preach to newcomers, stress Prabhupada as their siksa-guru, and keep them in the process at the level of sadhu-sanga. It is an impetus to get very sincere and serious and reach the stage of mahimni sve mahiyate, i.e., drsta evatmanisvare. If we could not or cannot reach even this stage, which is prior to bhava, then what was the meaning of Srila Prabhupada coming here in the first place and training us to become gurus? And he certainly wanted this, as you well know, and as evidenced, if not indeed proved, by his letter to you in 1975.
    Hoping that this meets you and your good wife in good health and cheerful mood, I beg to remain . . .
    Your eternal servant,

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  3. Suvarna says:

    Thank you for this book Hansadutta Prabhu. Very wonderful writing. I am very grateful. Thank you. Your servant Suvarna

  4. Suvarna says:

    is this book available to purchase?

  5. I have no motre copies for saler, you can download the whole text from Nama Hatta, or write to…… perhaps they have a copy,
    Thank you nfor appriociating my realizations. I do not write for money, or noteriety. I have written according to my experience and heart felt love for Prabhupada

    Your humble servant,
    I shaould have done better,
    But I fell. failed and am very repentant about that, and still working to get up and do the right thing.

    • tarunkrishna das says:

      Haribol ji, may i say Hansdutta ji at least you have said you made mistakes , been open about what went wrong for you, not many from that time have or ever will, bless you ji ,..haribol

    • Nilesh Dalal says:

      Hare Krishna prabhuji,
      Please consider to reprint your book not for fame or for glory but to help other innocent jivas from following the bogus gurus. I just discovered your website. But there are others where this message has to be reached. Please help to redirect Prabhupada’s vision in it’s true direction. Senior true devotees like yourself is our only link to the truth.
      Hari Bol.

    • dhaval moradiya says:

      hare krishna
      i want to purchasse of this book …

  6. Martin says:

    Hare Krishna. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

    For many years I have been searching for the audio of the so-called appointment tape of May 28, 1977. Do you have the audio file, and if so, could you please email it to me or post it to YouTube? I have read the transcript and understand that Srila Prabhupada appointed ritviks, but I would like to hear the audio for myself.

  7. William Regular says:

    Hare Krishna!!
    Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

    Thank you very much for your profound realizations. i really felt indebted.. it gives me more light since you personally advice me to read first before i come to visit any ISKCON temple. i will write you someday in regards of this book.
    Again, thank you very much Hansadutta Prabhu

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  9. Lou says:

    Dear Hansadutta Das,
    I remember you in Berkely in 1976 or so. I used to frequent the temple there often. I have not been to an ISKCON temple since then although I occasionally try to keep up on ISKCON news. I am a devotee of Avatar Meher Baba. I have no qualifications to judge but the letter you’ve shared seems to clearly spell out Srila Prabhupada’s wishes. It makes it very clear: “The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada …” It is truly a shame that ISKCON has been divided all these years and I pray your efforts are helpful. Congratulations on your honesty and sincere work.

  10. Probir saha says:

    Jay radha!! I love “krishna” but i love you too.,’prabhupada’

  11. Vishnujana says:

    Hansadutta please accept my humble obeisances as a older Godbrother. I would like to talk to you about the ritvik system and where do you stand with post 1977 ISKCON. I would also like to know if you yourself know about the poisoning of our Spiritual Master A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada by your Godbrothers (perhaps you were aware but did not do anything) as well as your Godbrothers and the heinous acts they have done such as kirtananda and bhakti thirtha and many others. Please write back to me as soon as possible. If you truly following Srila Prabhupada you would allow for us to start a conversation to help this poor lost soul find some happiness. You are one of the last Ritvik Representative of Srila Prabhupada who was chosen by HIM. do not let this go to waste. Rise up Hansadutta and fight for Srila Prabhupada if you are sincere. Do not become clouded by illusion like arjuna at the battle of kurusetra with his family members. Just because they are your Godbrothers does not make it right to let them destroy Prabhupada ISKCON and take so many to hell with them. there are many scattered sects of the ritvik camp around the world with some truly devoted to Prabhupada and others for some materialistic purposes. Are we to let our faith become like the christian faith which is scattered from protestant to catholic to coptic orthodox to Pentecostal? Why do you sit and do nothing? Become a true ritvik and defend Prabhupada order and stop this second poisoning which is being done to Prabhupada Books. They are new devotees that are coming in this movement and many are lost because of the so many ritvik camps as well that they do not want to associate with ISKCON example my self and few friends. All I ask of you from my self is to write back to me so we may talk with my friends on your place and what we can do. Hare Krsna Jai Prabhupada.

    • Vishnujana says:

      Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
      Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It’s possible.

      Balaram Mishra (?): Hmm?

      Kaviraja: Kya farma rahe hain?
      Translation: What is he saying?

      Srila Prabhupada: Koi bolta hai je koi mujhko poison kiya gaya hai.
      Translation: Someone says that someone has given poison.

      Kaviraja: Kisko?
      Translation: To whom?

      Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko.
      Translation: To me.

      Kaviraja: Kaun bolta hai?
      Translation: Who said?

      Srila Prabhupada: Ye sab friends.
      Translation: These all friends.

      Bhakticharu: Ke boleche, Srila Prabhupada?
      Translation: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?

      Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche.
      Translation: They all say.

      Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?

      Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega?
      Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?

      Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?

      Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.

      Exchange 1 – Mixture of English, Hindi and Bengali (9/11/77)

      Jagadisha: Srila Prabhupada, can you tell us why you want to go on the parikrama? (travelling to visiting holy places)
      Prabhupada: …good paddy.
      Tamala Krsna: This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program. It seems to some of us like it’s suicidal.
      Prabhupada: And this is also suicidal.
      Tamala Krsna: Hm. Prabhupada said, “And this is also suicide.” Now you have to choose which suicide.
      Prabhupada: The Ravana (A great demon) will kill and Rama (God) will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh? That Marica–if he does not go to mislead Sita, he’ll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
      [Room Con. Nov. 10, 1977, Vrndavana, India]

      Prabhupada: All right. You take Babaji Maharaja. That will be my going. (“devotees” laugh)
      Krsna dasa Babaji: Jaya. (laughter)
      Tamala Krsna: Yes, the bullock cart will go tomorrow
      Prabhupada: Yes.
      Tamala Krsna: To Govardhana.
      Prabhupada: Yes, other devotees can go. I cannot go.
      Tamala Krsna: No, they’ll go on your behalf, but you will go one day. That we promise you. (“devotees” laugh)
      “Devotee ?”: (under breath) Sati (other “devotees” laugh)
      Prabhupada: All right.
      Tamala Krsna: Our greatest pleasure will be to take you on tirtha-yatra, Srila Prabhupada. We wanted so much to go with you on that.
      Prabhupada: Thank you very much.

      (Vrindavana, India – 10th November 1977)

      here is the conversation of his final days. You were there werent you? therefore if you knew of this publicly repent and work to fight against your “Godbrothers” and if you sincerely and honestly did not know then research and hear what they did to our Guru Maharaj and understand what you must do.

  12. Krishna Tungal says:

    All Glories to Srila Prabhupada,
    Hare Krishna to all the devotees.

    What Vishnujana Prabhu said is 100000% true. Hansadutta Prabhu, you can do it, we all here to support you..


    Your servant
    Krishna Tungal

    • Aaca says:

      Dear Jagaddharta Prabhu Thank you for your comments. I beelive that you are correct in your appraisal that we have underestimated world affairs as a causative influence. Srila Prabhupada has given us all the knowledge and perspective to understand the complexities of modern life and how we are entangled in the modes and more importantly how to get disentangled. Srila Prabhupada gives us the tools it is up to us how or when or if we employ them. He nor Krsna will do this as this is our duty to free ourselves. The Demon Kali has his agents both outside and inside of FISKCON. To have them inside ISKCON is impossible for inside ISKCON is where Srila Prabhupada’s vision lies illuminating the absolute truth. FISKCON adherents do not have this vision and so they will cheat us. It is only when we can understand this difference, that is between ISKCON and FISKCON that we can begin to free ourselves. Yes no one comes close to Srila Prabhupada! Nor are they meant to. He is the Acharya of ISKCON no one else. We have to all come together by aligning our visions to his and in order to do this we must understand our predicament within the Geopolitical sphere and to know where the Krsna Consciousness Movement is being compromised, where our own vision has been affected and obscured. Yours in the service of Srila PrabhupadaAdmin

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  16. Hansadutta Prabhu, you are in an excellent position to understand the ritvik issue because you were an ISKCON temple president, a member of the GBC body, a BBT trustee, an “appointed guru,” and a “zonal acharya.” Your booklet is what convinced me, even before “The Final Order” was published.

    Also, no ISKCON leader dares to debate with you. All that they ever do is resort to low-class name-calling!

  17. hansadutta das says:
    September 12, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    I have no motre copies for saler

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