Srila Prabhupada, His Movement & You

Angry Means Defeated

From Bhakta dasa, Bangkok, Thailand
9 March 1994

Dear Das Dasanudas Prabhu:

Please accept my most humble obeisances. All glories to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada!

Yesterday I received five copies of the Every Town & Village. It is so nicely done in all respects. The glorification of Srila Prabhupada is sincere and direct. It carries real potency. Yesterday I also received a copy of the ISKCON Journal from Badrinarayana Prabhu. It is the GBC publication to justify the right of neophyte devotees to accept the position of acharya/spiritual master. Although they quote all Prabhupada’s words, they use those words to promote themselves instead of Srila Prabhupada. Their publication left me feeling numb and disturbed, whereas the “ET&V” left me feeling inspired and full of hope. Really a world of difference.

Hansadutta Prabhu has made so many very excellent arguments. I especially appreciated the comparison with counterfeit money as being very appropriate. While counterfeit money looks quite genuine to the innocent, it is in fact poison, because it carries none of the support of the government. Self-made gurus are just the same.

Prabhupada repeatedly says, “UPON MY ORDER BECOME GURU,” but he never gave the order. He said “Initiate for me.” That simple order was never followed for one minute by anyone, and therefore they are in so many ways disconnected from the pure flow of mercy.

All those who love Prabhupada or at least who recognize that Prabhupada is a direct expansion of either Lord Nityananda or Srimati Radharani see clearly. Others seem to think Prabhupada was just some lucky Indian just like them. Because he plays the role of a humble, fallen soul should not bewilder anyone. We must look at what he did, then his supreme high position is understood.

I have been so busy lately, and my computer has crashed too. So I have not yet begun writing. I think about it all the time, and will get to the task soon, by the Lord’s grace.

Have you heard any news from Bhima? I would love to know what has happened in Mayapur. Hope this finds you in blissful spirits. I remain,

Your servant,
Bhakta dasa

From Das Dasanudas devi dasi,
9 March 1994

Dear Hansadutta Maharaja:

Please accept my most humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I have just received a phone call from Bhima. Seems that ISKCON is up in arms against your publications. He had left a stack of magazines with Rasabihari in Loi Bazaar to sell to devotees, but GBC passed out the order to the Krishna Balarama’s temple president to warn Rasabihari that they would be black-listed if they would have anything to do with the sale or distribution of these magazines. So they have withdrawn the magazines from their shelf. At the same time, Rasabihari has been selling and continues to sell other books, such as Sridhar’s group and Krishna Balarama Swami’s nonsense books. But your magazines are too threatening. Lokasaranga Swami also does not dare to distribute. He has been told, since having been seen hanging out with you and the Nam Hatta devotees in Vrindaban last November, that he will be kicked out of India, should it be discovered that he is collaborating. And the Greek-German boy and Sudarshan das (Shyamapriya) refuse to distribute also (they asked Bhima for a donation of 2 lakhs).

Bhima said it looks like he will have to stay on a week longer in order to distribute the magazines. But I suggested to him to let Vrindaranya join him. He agreed, and I have spoken with Vrindaranya about it. He will book his flight for the 17th of March and prepare his visa first. Bhima leaves Vrindaban for Mayapur on the 19th, arriving in Mayapur on the 20th, then returning to Vrindaban on the 25th (arriving 26th).

Note: To become angry means defeat. On July 9, 1975, in Chicago, Srila Prabhupada said, “To become angry means defeat. If two persons are in argument, the man, the one party, he becomes angry, that means he is defeated. Why one should become angry? It is the argument, logic. They should continue. And to become angry and to go away, that means defeat.” Here follows an account of what recently happened to some devotees while distributing Srila Prabhupada, His Movement and You while in India during the Mayapur Festival.

The following is from a devotee in Mayapur who wishes to remain anonymous. It is his reaction to the incident described in the following pages.

28 March 1994, Sri Mayapur

Dear Hansadutta Prabhu:

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

The beating of the Singapore devotees is most deplorable, and I heard from three different sources how disgusting the devotees were when they witnessed the beating that took place. Even the mother of one 16 year old boy told me that her son saw everything, and he approached Mukunda Maharaja, asking him to stop the nonsense, but he didn’t say anything. Of course, the boy lost the little respect and consideration he had for Mukunda. Actually, it is a fact that by their own actions they are killing themselves.

From Das Dasanudas devi das,
May, 1994

Dear Hansadutta Maharaja:

Please accept my most humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Here is an account of what happened in Mayapur (Mayapur Festival, 1994):

On the 19th of March (a Sunday) Krishna Lila flew into Calcutta from Singapore and stayed one or two nights at the home of his music teacher there, until Bhima came down from Vrindaban on the 20th to meet him. On Monday, the 21st, the two of them, accompanied by one Indian devotee named Lalu (a resident of Vrindaban and the nephew of a well-known Sanskrit acharya in Vrindaban), took the train down to Mayapur for the day.

This was Krishna Lila’s very first trip to India. It was also his first trial at book distribution.

They arrived at Krishna Nagar (30 km from Mayapur) sometime around 11:30 am. From the train station they took a three-wheeler to Mayapur. The three-wheeler stopped about 100 meters from the front gates of ISKCON, on the main road. Krishna Lila and Lalu got down and immediately entered the compound, slinging their heavy book bags over their shoulders. They went straight to the guest house, slipping magazines under every door and proceeded outside, giving out magazines to everyone they met. They were distributing only to foreigners, not to local devotees. Within ten minutes they had distributed 150 magazines and headed back to the three-wheeler for more. They entered through the gates again and began to give out the magazines.

But when Krishna Lila was passing out the magazines in the prasadam area, the temple commander, Jayaram, came up to him and said, “What are you doing here? You can’t do this. Who gave you permission?” Krishna Lila said, “No, someone at the gate said it’s all right,” and he continued to hand out magazines. Jayaram walked off towards the gate to check it out, but then returned and said they had to go outside. “No, no, you can’t distribute here. Give me, and I’ll distribute for you.” Innocent Krishna Lila gave him a stack of magazines. (Later Jayaram admitted that he had brought the magazines straight to the GBCs to read.) Jayaram told them to go outside to distribute. So Krishna Lila and Lalu went just outside the main gates.

When Krishna Lila had finished giving out all his magazines, he went back to the three-wheeler to get more, and after a few minutes, Bhima and he both walked to the gates, looking for Lalu, but Lalu had apparently gone back inside the compound. Krishna Lila then went down to the river and passed out the rest of the magazines. Bhima waited at the three-wheeler.

Krishna Lila again went to the gates, looking for Lalu, but there was no sign of him, so Krishna Lila entered the gates, went around the guest house and prasadam hall, looking for Lalu. When he came out, Lalu was near the gates, being beaten up by five or six Bengalis. They were slapping him on the face and hitting his chest and back, asking him, “Where is Bhima das? Where is Bhima das?” But Lalu replied, “He’s in Calcutta.” Then they saw Krishna Lila and grabbed him. They began punching on his head, especially on the ear and face, as well as his chest, a few guys going at him all at once. One of the guards brought a stick, and the guy who had been whacking Krishna Lila’s ear took hold of the stick and starting beating his thighs. Krishna Lila tried blocking with his hands, and the stick was beating his fingers. Afterwards, Krishna Lila said that all the while, he did not feel any pain, but saw Srila Prabhupada in his mind. He was chanting, “Krishna! Krishna!” The guy who was beating him with the stick shouted, “Stop! Stop calling Krishna! Stop calling Krishna!” (Later this was to stick out in Krishna Lila’s memory.) These men were all Bengali ISKCON boys. The same guy then asked, “Are you Bhima das?” Krishna Lila retorted, “What! You think Bhima das is so small??”

Meanwhile, the rickshaw drivers saw the commotion from outside the gates and ran towards Bhima, who was waiting by the three-wheeler, unaware of what was going on, but anxious why it was taking Krishna Lila and Lalu so long inside. He was outside the gates, about 100 meters away. The rickshaw drivers came running and shouted in Bengali, “Go to Jog Pith! Go quick! Your friends… beaten… pain… Go! Go! Quick!” But they did not linger, seeing the commotion was spilling out from the gates. Immediately his own driver demanded payment of the fare and left the spot.

Several men came running and grabbed hold of Bhima’s arms and neck and began beating him on the head and pulling him in three different directions—two men on each arm, two from behind. Bhima yanked his left arm free and so doing pulled off someone’s watch. Momentarily they became confused, looking for the watch on the ground.

That’s when the devotee who had been tormenting Krishna Lila came running, screaming from 30 metres away, “I’ll kill you! I’ll kill you! I’ve got a gun! I’ll throw your body in the Ganga, and nobody will know!!” He whipped out a gun from beneath his dhoti and brandished it in Bhima’s face. Everyone was more or less stunned.

Bhima asked, “But what have I done?” The Bengali boy accused, “You’re giving out these magazines!” Bhima said, “But I’m not giving any magazines out. I’ve just arrived here. You can see my bag. I’ve just arrived in the Holy Dham, looking for a place to stay.” The Bengali boy was uncertain, but he ordered Bhima to be brought to the office. So six or seven men all began to drag him, but he said, “Look, you don’t have to drag me like an animal. I’ll go with you.” The Bengali boy signaled to the others, who then let go. At that moment, a Gurukula boy ran up to them and was asking, “What happened? What happened?” They told him, “He’s (Bhima) against Prabhupada.” Bhima picked up his bag and walked with them to the office.

Krishna Lila and Lalu were already in the office, and the temple commander, Jayaram, was questioning them. Jayaram asked, “You people have no permission. Why you are coming and doing this?” Krishna Lila answered, “You gave us permission. You said we can distribute outside the premises. We were outside the gate.” Jayaram said, “No! You can’t do there! I said you can come after the festival.” When Jayaram saw Bhima, he asked, “Who are you? Are you Bhima das?” But Bhima avoided him, saying that he had just arrived in the Holy Dham and had not been distributing magazines. They looked inside his bag, but did not find any magazines. Back and forth, more questions.

Krishna Lila said, “Okay, we’re sorry all this happened. But why you people start beating devotees? You gave us permission, then you people come and beat devotees.” To his surprise, Jayaram then said, “No one beat you!” To the others Jayaram said, “Did anyone beat him?” They all said, “No, no. No one beat them.” That was too much for Krishna Lila. His face, hands, chest and thighs were red, swollen and bleeding. He showed his bleeding hands and thighs to Jayaram. Jayaram backed down a little, saying, “Oh, we’ll call a doctor for you. I’m sorry. There must have been some misunderstanding.” Then one of the Bengali boys present there said, “He (meaning Krishna Lila) beat up one of our devotees, so they beat him up.” Krishna Lila protested, “Who would come to your temple—only three of us—and start to beat up your devotees?” Again Jayaram said, “We’ll call you a doctor.” The Bengali devotee who had pulled out the gun earlier agreed. But Krishna Lila said, “No.” He put his palms together and said, “We’ll be only too glad if you will let us go now.”

Jayaram agreed to let Krishna Lila and Lalu leave. But Lalu could not find his shoes. In the delay, Bhima was held back. He was frightened that someone might recognize him. Just then, the temple president of Krishna Balarama Mandir in Vrindaban passed right by him, but somehow or other did not take notice of him. Bhima wanted to leave out the back entrance, in order to avoid being seen, but two Bengali boys were assigned to watch him and make sure he did not leave. Just then, Bala das from Mauritius, called out, “Hey Bhima!” However, the Bengali boys did not notice. Bhima spoke to Bala, “Please don’t give me away. There’s been some trouble here. Why don’t you walk with me outside and speak with me.” But Bala said, “Oh…no, no.” And he disappeared. Bhima again tried to walk off, but the Bengali boys became upset, shouting, “No! You can’t go!” So Bhima walked into the office and said to Jayaram, “Look, what’s going on here? Why am I being held?” Jayaram said, “You can go. The others have gone already.” So Bhima started to walk off, but the Bengali boys again stopped him. They were determined to hold him. So Bhima went back into the office and asked Jayaram to call them off. Finally he walked off, out the back entrance and met Krishna Lila and Lalu on the main road.

By that time, it was 1:30 pm. The same three-wheeler brought them back to the train station. All the way to the station, they kept looking back, worried that someone might be following and try to gun them down along the way.

They jumped onto the next train to Calcutta. They found a hotel, bought a new pair of shoes for Lalu, went looking for something to eat, and then Krishna Lila went back to the home of his music teacher, where he stayed another two nights, before flying back to Singapore. Bhima and Lalu stayed two nights in the hotel, then caught the train to Vrindaban.

For nearly two weeks after the incident, Krishna Lila heard continuous ringing in his ear, and his face and body were decorated with cuts and bruises. He told his wife that he had fallen from a train.

The devotees did not go to the police in Mayapur, because it is known that the police have been bought off by ISKCON. They were frightened to be detained for further questioning and then who knows what might have happened. There are stories of what happened to Killan in Vrindaban and others.

When Bhima had left Vrindaban to go to Calcutta, a devotee in Vrindaban had gone to Krishna Balarama Mandir and overheard the Bengali devotees there say, “Oh, so Bhima has gone to Mayapur? He must be dead by now.”

Krishna Lila and Lalu managed to distribute some 350 magazines. Another fifty had been taken by Jayaram, and later another fifty were confiscated. Later Bhima left magazines with several persons in Vrindaban to distribute slowly.

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22 Responses to Srila Prabhupada, His Movement & You

  1. I shall be including sections of this very intelligent, but flawed, commentary in an upcoming article that will be posted on one of our websites. As I told you in 1988, I would read the book that you gave me. I have read, more than once, both of your books, as well as this article. You are close. The quote from Vaikunthanatha, as potent as it appears to be, is still evidence not conclusive proof. Indeed, and somewhat ironically, you have prominently posted in another section of your website, that famous letter you received from His Divine Grace wherein he said that his movement may have gurus given the title of Bhaktivedanta (for their advanced learning and realization in the supreme science) by 1975. This was not realized, however, as we all know. Instead, eleven men–yourself one of them–went, in your own words to me back in the Eighties “way too far.” Nevertheless, misuse of a great science does not render it useless. The rittvik process (and I spell this word exactly as you do, so we have something in common there) in relation to Srila Prabhupada ended on November 15, 1977; the last genuinely initiated disciple of Prabhupada was Mahapurana das, an African-American devotee, at (again, somewhat ironically, although Nityananda prabhu was already in Mississippi by that time) the New Orleans yatra just hours before Prabhupada departed us in manifest form. The real issue here is not rittvik; the real issue is “regular guru, that’s all.” What did that mean? I ask this rhetorically, as I am confident that I know what it means. Similarly, as was revealed in your presence at Topanga Canyon in early December of 1980, the eleven men named on July 9-10, 1977 where not to create any kind of exclusive monopoly based upon their having been given the renewal of the service of rittvik, which had been suspended for a period of time before that summer. I think that you would agree that close is not good enough here. We may put together the pieces of the puzzle in a different chronological order–and that is to be expected–but, when it is finished, all the pieces fit together in one way and one way only. There is one perfect way, and we both agree that the vitiated GBC has not established, nor does it represent, that way. Yet, there arguments have some power to them, especially in terms of pragmatic considerations–Western pragmatism, that is. Indeed, I pick up no dearth of pragmatism in your presentations both in your books and on your website. The issue is not pragmatism itself, as Prabhupada was very results oriented. The issue is the difference between Western pragmatism and Vedic or Vaishnava pragmatism. There is one essential difference between them, and a hint of what that is can be found in Nityananda prabhu’s favorite slogan: Satyam eva jayate.
    One other thing to keep in mind. Kindly do not misread anything personal into this, because it is not intended for any specific initiated devotee (1966-1977) of Prabhupada. We both agree that the GBCs of Prabhupada and his guru deviated in egregious ways. What was the ultimate result thirty years after the first such deviation? Or, rather, how did Lord Chaitanya choose to rectify that situation? It wasn’t via any kind of rittvik arrangement, was it.
    So, I am being stimulated to some extent by what I am reading on your website and in reviewing your books (I have both of them) once again. In due course, it should produce an article that goes into detail on all of these spiritual raw nerve topics. Obviously, I had very little association with His Divine Grace in comparison to your good self; I was only alone with him once for about four minutes. So, you are very blessed, and I admire your spiritual good fortune. It empowers you to carry on, no doubt. Still, you and I have another thing in common that is certainly rare amongst Prabhupada’s actually initiated disciples, viz., neither of us was preached to before coming to the temple and deciding to surrender. I have read your historical account, it was impressive, and I could relate to it. Mine was different, obviously, but the principle was the same. As such, we each stand for something and push something independent of mass opinion and negativity of the enforced conformity. Your version of rittvik–and there are quite a number of them–is different from the others, and that is to be expected, also.
    Once I produce the above-mentioned article (for the first time, I am seriously considering employing the A & A format in doing so), would you like me to notify you of its posting along with a hyperlink? I shall not be offended if you answer this specific query in the negative nor shall I be offended if I do not hear from you at all. We are all meant to reach the stage of sthita-prajna, in which it is certain that His Divine Grace would order us to become diksa-guru, not rittvik. Until then, we are meant to preach to newcomers, stress Prabhupada as their siksa-guru, and keep them in the process at the level of sadhu-sanga. It is an impetus to get very sincere and serious and reach the stage of mahimni sve mahiyate, i.e., drsta evatmanisvare. If we could not or cannot reach even this stage, which is prior to bhava, then what was the meaning of Srila Prabhupada coming here in the first place and training us to become gurus? And he certainly wanted this, as you well know, and as evidenced, if not indeed proved, by his letter to you in 1975.
    Hoping that this meets you and your good wife in good health and cheerful mood, I beg to remain . . .
    Your eternal servant,

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  3. Suvarna says:

    Thank you for this book Hansadutta Prabhu. Very wonderful writing. I am very grateful. Thank you. Your servant Suvarna

  4. Suvarna says:

    is this book available to purchase?

  5. I have no motre copies for saler, you can download the whole text from Nama Hatta, or write to…… perhaps they have a copy,
    Thank you nfor appriociating my realizations. I do not write for money, or noteriety. I have written according to my experience and heart felt love for Prabhupada

    Your humble servant,
    I shaould have done better,
    But I fell. failed and am very repentant about that, and still working to get up and do the right thing.

    • tarunkrishna das says:

      Haribol ji, may i say Hansdutta ji at least you have said you made mistakes , been open about what went wrong for you, not many from that time have or ever will, bless you ji ,..haribol

    • Nilesh Dalal says:

      Hare Krishna prabhuji,
      Please consider to reprint your book not for fame or for glory but to help other innocent jivas from following the bogus gurus. I just discovered your website. But there are others where this message has to be reached. Please help to redirect Prabhupada’s vision in it’s true direction. Senior true devotees like yourself is our only link to the truth.
      Hari Bol.

    • dhaval moradiya says:

      hare krishna
      i want to purchasse of this book …

  6. Martin says:

    Hare Krishna. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

    For many years I have been searching for the audio of the so-called appointment tape of May 28, 1977. Do you have the audio file, and if so, could you please email it to me or post it to YouTube? I have read the transcript and understand that Srila Prabhupada appointed ritviks, but I would like to hear the audio for myself.

  7. William Regular says:

    Hare Krishna!!
    Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

    Thank you very much for your profound realizations. i really felt indebted.. it gives me more light since you personally advice me to read first before i come to visit any ISKCON temple. i will write you someday in regards of this book.
    Again, thank you very much Hansadutta Prabhu

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  9. Lou says:

    Dear Hansadutta Das,
    I remember you in Berkely in 1976 or so. I used to frequent the temple there often. I have not been to an ISKCON temple since then although I occasionally try to keep up on ISKCON news. I am a devotee of Avatar Meher Baba. I have no qualifications to judge but the letter you’ve shared seems to clearly spell out Srila Prabhupada’s wishes. It makes it very clear: “The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada …” It is truly a shame that ISKCON has been divided all these years and I pray your efforts are helpful. Congratulations on your honesty and sincere work.

  10. Probir saha says:

    Jay radha!! I love “krishna” but i love you too.,’prabhupada’

  11. Vishnujana says:

    Hansadutta please accept my humble obeisances as a older Godbrother. I would like to talk to you about the ritvik system and where do you stand with post 1977 ISKCON. I would also like to know if you yourself know about the poisoning of our Spiritual Master A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada by your Godbrothers (perhaps you were aware but did not do anything) as well as your Godbrothers and the heinous acts they have done such as kirtananda and bhakti thirtha and many others. Please write back to me as soon as possible. If you truly following Srila Prabhupada you would allow for us to start a conversation to help this poor lost soul find some happiness. You are one of the last Ritvik Representative of Srila Prabhupada who was chosen by HIM. do not let this go to waste. Rise up Hansadutta and fight for Srila Prabhupada if you are sincere. Do not become clouded by illusion like arjuna at the battle of kurusetra with his family members. Just because they are your Godbrothers does not make it right to let them destroy Prabhupada ISKCON and take so many to hell with them. there are many scattered sects of the ritvik camp around the world with some truly devoted to Prabhupada and others for some materialistic purposes. Are we to let our faith become like the christian faith which is scattered from protestant to catholic to coptic orthodox to Pentecostal? Why do you sit and do nothing? Become a true ritvik and defend Prabhupada order and stop this second poisoning which is being done to Prabhupada Books. They are new devotees that are coming in this movement and many are lost because of the so many ritvik camps as well that they do not want to associate with ISKCON example my self and few friends. All I ask of you from my self is to write back to me so we may talk with my friends on your place and what we can do. Hare Krsna Jai Prabhupada.

    • Vishnujana says:

      Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
      Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It’s possible.

      Balaram Mishra (?): Hmm?

      Kaviraja: Kya farma rahe hain?
      Translation: What is he saying?

      Srila Prabhupada: Koi bolta hai je koi mujhko poison kiya gaya hai.
      Translation: Someone says that someone has given poison.

      Kaviraja: Kisko?
      Translation: To whom?

      Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko.
      Translation: To me.

      Kaviraja: Kaun bolta hai?
      Translation: Who said?

      Srila Prabhupada: Ye sab friends.
      Translation: These all friends.

      Bhakticharu: Ke boleche, Srila Prabhupada?
      Translation: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?

      Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche.
      Translation: They all say.

      Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?

      Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega?
      Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?

      Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?

      Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.

      Exchange 1 – Mixture of English, Hindi and Bengali (9/11/77)

      Jagadisha: Srila Prabhupada, can you tell us why you want to go on the parikrama? (travelling to visiting holy places)
      Prabhupada: …good paddy.
      Tamala Krsna: This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program. It seems to some of us like it’s suicidal.
      Prabhupada: And this is also suicidal.
      Tamala Krsna: Hm. Prabhupada said, “And this is also suicide.” Now you have to choose which suicide.
      Prabhupada: The Ravana (A great demon) will kill and Rama (God) will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh? That Marica–if he does not go to mislead Sita, he’ll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
      [Room Con. Nov. 10, 1977, Vrndavana, India]

      Prabhupada: All right. You take Babaji Maharaja. That will be my going. (“devotees” laugh)
      Krsna dasa Babaji: Jaya. (laughter)
      Tamala Krsna: Yes, the bullock cart will go tomorrow
      Prabhupada: Yes.
      Tamala Krsna: To Govardhana.
      Prabhupada: Yes, other devotees can go. I cannot go.
      Tamala Krsna: No, they’ll go on your behalf, but you will go one day. That we promise you. (“devotees” laugh)
      “Devotee ?”: (under breath) Sati (other “devotees” laugh)
      Prabhupada: All right.
      Tamala Krsna: Our greatest pleasure will be to take you on tirtha-yatra, Srila Prabhupada. We wanted so much to go with you on that.
      Prabhupada: Thank you very much.

      (Vrindavana, India – 10th November 1977)

      here is the conversation of his final days. You were there werent you? therefore if you knew of this publicly repent and work to fight against your “Godbrothers” and if you sincerely and honestly did not know then research and hear what they did to our Guru Maharaj and understand what you must do.

  12. Krishna Tungal says:

    All Glories to Srila Prabhupada,
    Hare Krishna to all the devotees.

    What Vishnujana Prabhu said is 100000% true. Hansadutta Prabhu, you can do it, we all here to support you..


    Your servant
    Krishna Tungal

    • Aaca says:

      Dear Jagaddharta Prabhu Thank you for your comments. I beelive that you are correct in your appraisal that we have underestimated world affairs as a causative influence. Srila Prabhupada has given us all the knowledge and perspective to understand the complexities of modern life and how we are entangled in the modes and more importantly how to get disentangled. Srila Prabhupada gives us the tools it is up to us how or when or if we employ them. He nor Krsna will do this as this is our duty to free ourselves. The Demon Kali has his agents both outside and inside of FISKCON. To have them inside ISKCON is impossible for inside ISKCON is where Srila Prabhupada’s vision lies illuminating the absolute truth. FISKCON adherents do not have this vision and so they will cheat us. It is only when we can understand this difference, that is between ISKCON and FISKCON that we can begin to free ourselves. Yes no one comes close to Srila Prabhupada! Nor are they meant to. He is the Acharya of ISKCON no one else. We have to all come together by aligning our visions to his and in order to do this we must understand our predicament within the Geopolitical sphere and to know where the Krsna Consciousness Movement is being compromised, where our own vision has been affected and obscured. Yours in the service of Srila PrabhupadaAdmin

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  16. Hansadutta Prabhu, you are in an excellent position to understand the ritvik issue because you were an ISKCON temple president, a member of the GBC body, a BBT trustee, an “appointed guru,” and a “zonal acharya.” Your booklet is what convinced me, even before “The Final Order” was published.

    Also, no ISKCON leader dares to debate with you. All that they ever do is resort to low-class name-calling!

  17. hansadutta das says:
    September 12, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    I have no motre copies for saler

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